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Jon C.10
2 years agoCollaborator | Level 8
Disaster: Dropbox removing external disk support for Mac users :(
In case anyone's unaware... if you're a Mac user storing your Dropbox on an external drive, you'll shortly lose that ability. https://talk.tidbits.com/t/dropbox-drops-support-for-storing-files-on...
- 4 months agoHi Everybody,We’re excited to share that external drive support for Dropbox for macOS on File Provider is now available for testing as a beta feature. This is available to some users today and will be available to additional users on a rolling basis. In order to be eligible to test this feature, please follow the instructions in this Help Center article.Keep in mind that participation in beta programs is subject to the certain terms and conditions. There are certain additional participation requirements:
- This beta is only available to US-based users
- You must be on macOS 15 beta
- You must have an external drive that is APFS formatted and encrypted
Please let me know if you have any further questions!
Ru 1971
Helpful | Level 6
Just so I full understand where we are now. If I buy a new Mac this week (which I have to do) which will come pre-installed with Ventura, can I *currently* install my dropbox folder on an external drive, whilst Dropbox try & fix this messy situation? I sure can't afford to buy one with a 4TB internal drive at Apple prices!
shinbeth
2 years agoExperienced | Level 13
Just buy 4TB or even 8TB internal Mac to be honest yes it's costly but so much more effective than having to rely on external storage cloud sync. External disks even SSDs are not an option for anything having to do with real-time sync such as heavy video editing, music production, AI and computational projects etc. (I mean in 2023, we're in the future already, not living in the 90s anymore lol which sometimes Dropbox feels like)
Also it's way faster (6000 MB/s - for the M1 anyway, Apple messed up with the M2 as SSD speeds went down surprisingly, so I'd wait for the M3 if you're not getting a M1 yet) than even the faster external SSDs like SanDisk which unfortunately as of today only reach more or less 2'000 MB/s (so I only use those as TimeMachine backups of the internal Mac drive) and are limited to 4TB (SanDisk is working on the first 8TB dongle but it's going to take a few more years I'm afraid as it stands :/).
I really don't know how you guys keep saying you rely on external drives to sync 10s of TBs of data as individual, professional or even more so as business with many people relying on external sources. Very unreliable in my opinion, even before the Dropbox upgrade / sync issue.
Just buy 8TB internal disks people and PLEASE DROPBOX FINALLY EXPAND YOUR PRICE PLANS FOR THE PRO PLAN 3TB (+1 extra max) IS WAY TOO SMALL I NEED AT LEAST 15/20TB OPTION to back up my entire data + some headroom just in case to be safe. Ready to pay 100+ a month for it.
- psalcal2 years agoCollaborator | Level 10
Buying an 8TB internal drive is ALSO not a real solution for most of us.
And you greatly overstate the need for speed when it comes to drives. I have for 5 years done music on Minis including my current M1 mini, and I use an external drive for all media and samples. My dropbox folder is on that same external drive (SSD). It is completely a non-issue.
One might make an argument that video users might need this, but most video users I know use 10gbe or fiber and external RAIDS, not internal storage, at least in the corporate world. Even 8tb is not enough for a a lot of video projects, and what then?
Again, this is a dropbox issue and a problem which dropbox needs to solve. Google Drive has solved it.
I appreciate people trying to detail possible workarounds as I know people's hearts are in the right places, but let's be real about those solutions. They are not real workable solutions. Dropbox and any usable cloud service MUST support moving of directories to external drives. That's a full on absolute requirement.
..and again, Dropbox is doing a major disservice to us by marking this thread as "solved" when it is decidedly NOT.- sootysax2 years agoExplorer | Level 3
I am also having this problem with Google Drive! How has Google Drive solved this?
- psalcal2 years agoCollaborator | Level 10
Elsewhere in the thread, I have a link to the fix from google themselves. I don't have the link handy, but it's fixable.
- euiow2 years agoExplorer | Level 4
- shinbeth2 years agoExperienced | Level 13
"And you greatly overstate the need for speed when it comes to drives. I have for 5 years done music on Minis including my current M1 mini, and I use an external drive for all media and samples. My dropbox folder is on that same external drive (SSD). It is completely a non-issue."
Absolutely not for professionals with high-speed contents such as heavy 8k files, Kontakt librairies and so on, external SSDs as of today are not as fast as internal SSDs built my Apple (they are 'expensive' for a reason). It's a total issue. For instance Sandisk v2 Pros (2/sec) will load Kontakt librairies faster than older optical drives but still not as as fast as the latest Apple technology provides with internal SSDs (anyone could understand why). Same goes with Ableton Live which indexes all your librairies samples etc. if you don't use the fastest internal SSDs it will somewhat introduce a slightl latency from time to time (when searching 8TB of data in my case) which is annoying enough for me and slowing down my process and creativity so it's a no go. And the fact that you have to search through different devices is creating confusion. Perhaps you have too little data or work on the amateur side of this business and that's no issue for you. But for people who make money out of it we don't have time for such inconvenience.
Relying on external drives is rubbish:
1. because your data isn't stored in a single place, it makes it difficult to search in a single unit (out of question for me)
2. even external SSDs aren't 100% reliable as something could break (the cable, the USB part, or get stolen etc.) so it makes much more sense to centralize everything on a single internal SSD (and fastest one) and then back this one single data storage with an equally large external SSD for TimeMachine (or two of them, even better, which you can alternate every day for maximum safety - keeping one hidden in your house and one with you on your keyring), plus of course cloud service > Dropbox as another layer of real-time backup
3. it doesn't make sense to share company content from various external disks and sync it to a cloud, unless it's a high-level Enterprise plan level (thus Dropbox offering unlimited capacity at this level) that none of you here use, since large companies have their own data management system already and this requires an investment that is not necessary when already having enough space locally.
"One might make an argument that video users might need this, but most video users I know use 10gbe or fiber and external RAIDS, not internal storage, at least in the corporate world. Even 8tb is not enough for a a lot of video projects, and what then? "
8TB is enough for me now and soon Apple will start releasing 16TB etc. on their MBP and Pro lines which will be more than enough for my lifetime.
Raids are absolutely not an option again they start introducing latency and it's quite sketchy to start relying on cloud storage for such complex systems. They're not so easy to set up and maintain by the way, I've been into this - except again if you go Enterprise level which is not my case and not the case of 99% users in this discussion. So I prefer to keep things the simplest with local data and the fastest internal SSD drive.
"Again, this is a dropbox issue and a problem which dropbox needs to solve. Google Drive has solved it."
When this thread started I was compassionate with you guys but now I tend to think Dropbox is doing the right thing. It needs to stop offering ridiculous external storage sync (so unreliable, how can you guys trust this) and start FINALLY offering more storage in the Pro plans so that we can sync our local data conveniently. Pro Dropbox users are neither Basic users with ridiculously low needs and neither Enterprise users with ridiculously high needs (such as 1000TB needs and Entreprise level architecture).
And by the way Google Drive sucks unfortunately, if G Drive was as good as Dropbox I would have left Dropbox already for G Drive, since they offer 30TB for a very cheap amount of money. Unfortunately, only Dropbox provides such a perfect real-time indexing and cloud service without any limitations (except that stupid 3TB plan limitation but that's a different type of issue).
We Pro users need 10 to 20/30TB Dropbox plans and by the way DO NOT want to migrate to Business/Enterprise plans with 3/5/10 mandatory users. Just a single user I work alone and if I need to share things with others I simply use the sharing options/folders which are totally fine as they are today.
"I appreciate people trying to detail possible workarounds as I know people's hearts are in the right places, but let's be real about those solutions. They are not real workable solutions. Dropbox and any usable cloud service MUST support moving of directories to external drives. That's a full on absolute requirement."
The only hard requirement for me is Dropbox finally getting in the 21st century and stop offering only 3TB (+1TB only extra) Pro plans, which feels pretty much like what we needed 10 years ago considering our computers, drive and contents.
..and again, Dropbox is doing a major disservice to us by marking this thread as "solved" when it is decidedly NOT.- shinbeth2 years agoExperienced | Level 13
Bonus: this benchmark written in december 2022 comparing differents SSD Raid speeds (APFS) they cannot exceed 1'800-2'200mbps in write/read (at the very best...)
https://larryjordan.com/articles/compare-speed-differences-between-2-3-and-4-drive-ssd-raids/
And also consider that Thunderbolt (as of today v3/v4) has its own limitations too so until Thunderbolt v5 sees the light of day I still maintain external drives as not being an option for professionals in need of high-speed transfers equivalent to those provided by internal SSDs on the likes of Apple M1/M3 (forget the M2 its crap, they had to slow down the internal SSD speed by 15-25%).
https://larryjordan.com/articles/thunderbolt-may-not-be-as-fast-as-you-think/
- Bluebicycle2 years agoHelpful | Level 7
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