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Threlly
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5 years ago

Why So Much Telemetry ?

Hi All,   My Pi Hole is blocking an INCREDIBLE amount of DropBox telemetry, even more than Windows telemetry, and by a large margin. So I have a few questions. 1. What is this telemetry for ? 2....
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5 years ago
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This part of the policy sort of addresses your question [edit: make that several users’ question] about how to opt out [edit: and also to know what information is being communicated to “telemetry.” This describes how to ask for it so somebody please say you’ve done so - and later let us know what you hear back.] :

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5 years ago
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This is a missing opt-in issue.

This is a privacy issue.

 

Not a "contact us for..." issue.

It's not your customers role to have take up a task to find out why Dropbox have misled, hidden and now seek to obfuscate

your customers attempts to control their own data.

 

This hidden use of our data is in bad faith to your customers.

This is an issue of Dropbox's spirit and character.

 

We know what Facebook would do, what will Dropbox do ?

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    5 years ago
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    I agree. I'm seeing a Dropbox telemetry request every single minute on my PiHole. This "it isn't possible to turn this off" response from Dropbox is quite disappointing. As a Canadian, this is why I pay for Sync instead, even though the UI is terrible. Telemetry should be opt-in, like on an iPhone. At the very least it should be opt-out. There is no reason this can't be done, even if it means less data for the devs to work with.

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    5 years ago
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    I'd also like a way to opt-out... Or else I'll opt-out of the service as a whole.

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    Threlly
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    5 years ago
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    Where are Dropbox in this thread?
    Are you not valued customers?
    Will you all not accept what has happened to your privacy?
    The silence is deafening.
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    Threlly
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    4 years ago
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    Ok,

    So it looks like Dropbox are trying to ignore us.

    Best to all raise a ticket and post on the forum.

    Dropbox's social media may also benefit from a post ot two.

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So I have a few questions. 1. What is this telemetry for ? 2....","body@stringLength":"530","rawBody":"

Hi All,

 

My Pi Hole is blocking an INCREDIBLE amount of DropBox telemetry, even more than Windows telemetry, and by a large margin.

So I have a few questions.

1. What is this telemetry for ?

2. What information is in there ?

3. Who gets to see it (ie, is it shared in any way with, let's say, advertisers)

4. Why is it being blocked by my standard Pi Hole list, what threat could it be ?

5. Where do I turn it off if I wish to ?

 

Cheers,

Threlly

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This is a missing opt-in issue.

This is a privacy issue.

 

Not a \"contact us for...\" issue.

It's not your customers role to have take up a task to find out why Dropbox have misled, hidden and now seek to obfuscate

your customers attempts to control their own data.

 

This hidden use of our data is in bad faith to your customers.

This is an issue of Dropbox's spirit and character.

 

We know what Facebook would do, what will Dropbox do ?

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This is a missing opt-in issue.

This is a privacy issue.

 

Not a \"contact us for...\" issue.

It's not your customers role to have take up a task to find out why Dropbox have misled, hidden and now seek to obfuscate

your customers attempts to control their own data.

 

This hidden use of our data is in bad faith to your customers.

This is an issue of Dropbox's spirit and character.

 

We know what Facebook would do, what will Dropbox do ?

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JAMS is the US-based independent organization responsible for reviewing and resolving complaints about our Privacy Shield compliance—free of charge to you. We ask that you first submit any such complaints directly to us via privacy@dropbox.com. If you aren’t satisfied with our response, please contact JAMS at https://www.jamsadr.com/eu-us-privacy-shield. In the event your concern still isn’t addressed by JAMS, you may be entitled to a binding arbitration under Privacy Shield and its principles.

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JAMS is the US-based independent organization responsible for reviewing and resolving complaints about our Privacy Shield compliance—free of charge to you. We ask that you first submit any such complaints directly to us via privacy@dropbox.com. If you aren’t satisfied with our response, please contact JAMS at https://www.jamsadr.com/eu-us-privacy-shield. In the event your concern still isn’t addressed by JAMS, you may be entitled to a binding arbitration under Privacy Shield and its principles.

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Delete Your Stuff in your Dropbox account. You can learn more about how to delete files saved on Dropbox here.
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I agree. I'm seeing a Dropbox telemetry request every single minute on my PiHole. This \"it isn't possible to turn this off\" response from Dropbox is quite disappointing. As a Canadian, this is why I pay for Sync instead, even though the UI is terrible. Telemetry should be opt-in, like on an iPhone. At the very least it should be opt-out. There is no reason this can't be done, even if it means less data for the devs to work with.

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I agree. I'm seeing a Dropbox telemetry request every single minute on my PiHole. This \"it isn't possible to turn this off\" response from Dropbox is quite disappointing. As a Canadian, this is why I pay for Sync instead, even though the UI is terrible. Telemetry should be opt-in, like on an iPhone. At the very least it should be opt-out. There is no reason this can't be done, even if it means less data for the devs to work with.

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I'd also like a way to opt-out... Or else I'll opt-out of the service as a whole.

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I'd also like a way to opt-out... Or else I'll opt-out of the service as a whole.

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Did we ever get the missing opt-in?

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Did we ever get the missing opt-in?

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Are you not valued customers?
Will you all not accept what has happened to your privacy?
The silence is deafening.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"151","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2021-01-30T17:53:10.544-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-01-30T17:53:10.544-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":5854},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:101001000/category:English/community:mxpez29397board:101001017/message:455961/message:492132","repliesCount":1,"readOnly":true,"customFields":[],"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"163","rawBody":"Where are Dropbox in this thread?
Are you not valued customers?
Will you all not accept what has happened to your privacy?
The silence is deafening.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:492132_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:509955":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:509955","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:509955":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1354681"},"id":"message:509955","revisionNum":1,"uid":509955,"depth":20,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:101001017"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:492132"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:455961"},"subject":"Re: Why So Much Telemetry ?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:509955"},"body":"

Ok,

So it looks like Dropbox are trying to ignore us.

Best to all raise a ticket and post on the forum.

Dropbox's social media may also benefit from a post ot two.

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Ok,

So it looks like Dropbox are trying to ignore us.

Best to all raise a ticket and post on the forum.

Dropbox's social media may also benefit from a post ot two.

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