MacOS 13.0 Ventura, and Dropbox follows OneDrive in forcing the folder on the system drive
With Monterey, OneDrive implemented the new apis from Apple for online syncing that demanded its main location be a specific folder on the system drive. 8 months later, the MacOS community section of...
Any chance you can elaborate here? I'm on the latest version of Monterey. I only care about one subfolder (approx 80gbs) to be 100% offline. All the others can stay off my device unless specifically called upon. That's how dropbox is operating currently. Would this change if I upgraded to ventura?
I don’t know, do you have enough space on the system drive to hold these 80GBs and more? Because while I assume the client will keep having an option to designate files and folders as always available offline, the fact of the matter is that the cloud management API of macOS will have the last say and may offload some files to the cloud to make room for others if it deems it necessary, and if the experience with OneDrive which Microsoft adapted to this API already with Monterey is anything to go by, control over one’s files will become an uncertain thing at best. I just have a Windows machine to keep a local copy on both cloud services, because it’s clear Apple is so sold on the idea of files on-demand that they won’t let you have it on their systems.
Ahhh, understood. This is very helpful! Yeah I've never liked how iCloud handled offline storage. You seem to abdicating a great amount of control to Apple. Shame essentially all cloud storage systems will have to fold into this system. Appreciate the help, brother.
I tried treeandrew's excellent idea of copying the user directory over to my partition drive (I keep my 2nd drive internal to the machine - and yes, SSD only! Hence major investment for a 4T drive to sync locally and in cloud). Thank you, such an intelligent solution.
However, Ventura prevented me from copying the Home folder - all kinds of files were not given permission. I used both Finder and Terminal. The syntax for Terminal was: cp -r <Home Directory> <Target Destination>
Finder error was simply:
Terminal gives much more information about the copy failures, which are sometimes "Permission Denied" or "No Such File or Directory" or "unable to copy extended attributes" &c &c. But mainly "Permission Denied". The majority of these were in the "Library" directory.
Were I back in my PC days, at this point I would have ripped out the SSD, stuck it in a USB hub, and copied using another system. However, with macs that breaks warranty, and I haven't got time. So I called Mac service support. I spent 1.5 hours on the phone with them, and got ***Amazing*** service, really they are great. Two techs walked through all of my trials, thought through multiple scenarios, we tried different ways to copy the Home folder, and to no avail. He's raising it to engineers to see if they can't allow the Cloud Services folder to exist on another drive.
The idea that everyone is migrating to cloud-based only data is WRONG. Not because of my personal feefees, but look at the market. HDs on portable computers are now huge. You can get an 8T SSD in the latest macs. If we're carrying around that much data, it's so insecure, it's obvs we need it backed up on the cloud. But not exclusively--otherwise, why 8T drive, and Dropbox indexing just can't cope (sorry but it's true - maybe for your emails or letters or whatever, but not for a research library). Dropbox is good for backup, and great for sharing, but it ain't up to indexing.
Apple will be getting back to me - unfortunately, not before I set off on 2 wk lecture tour where I need data with me, but I'll workaround. I hope you at Dropbox are also pounding Apple with this problem! For your loyal customers who rely on you!
Great news that Apple Support were helpful ... A little off topic, but I do remember the move of User Profile Home Directory quite a challenging process, but for my particular scenario worth doing, with a space constrained system drive, on a machine I really want to keep using for some time ...
I take your point about Apple's recent machines ... I've actually got a relatively recent MBP M1 Pro - with I'm afraid only 1 TB internal SSD - and also noted that the internal SSD options go to 8 TB now. The last time I looked, but perhaps that was a while ago they went to 4 TB, which would probably be sufficient for me.
Out of interest I put together a price for a 14" MBP, with the lowest-end M1 Max, 64 GB and 4 TB - I may as well upgrade the CPU if I were to changeover - and here is Australia - it comes in at $6,800. Not sure I can stretch to that just at the moment. The upgrade to 4 TB is $1,800 alone here in AU. So yes, I must admit having purchased "off the shelf" models mostly in the past, because you can often get them discounted, I suspect my next purchase will be a custom build with a much larger internal SSD to ensure I avoid all these space constraint issues.
Good luck with you Home Profile Move! Cheers, Trevor
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With Monterey, OneDrive implemented the new apis from Apple for online syncing that demanded its main location be a specific folder on the system drive. 8 months later, the MacOS community section of their site is a collection of anger, accounts of giving up on the platform entirely, praise for Dropbox for not going the same way.
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Except it just did, it only waited until Ventura, and now my 360GB Dropbox home folder is supposed to fit on a drive that has about 160GB available, and I guess it was Apple's fault all along, but this is still a major malus to my having any use for Dropbox, I want a full hard copy of my files on local and not having to download them on the fly. This is a bummer.
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I don’t know, do you have enough space on the system drive to hold these 80GBs and more? Because while I assume the client will keep having an option to designate files and folders as always available offline, the fact of the matter is that the cloud management API of macOS will have the last say and may offload some files to the cloud to make room for others if it deems it necessary, and if the experience with OneDrive which Microsoft adapted to this API already with Monterey is anything to go by, control over one’s files will become an uncertain thing at best. I just have a Windows machine to keep a local copy on both cloud services, because it’s clear Apple is so sold on the idea of files on-demand that they won’t let you have it on their systems.
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Any chance you can elaborate here? I'm on the latest version of Monterey. I only care about one subfolder (approx 80gbs) to be 100% offline. All the others can stay off my device unless specifically called upon. That's how dropbox is operating currently. Would this change if I upgraded to ventura?
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Any chance you can elaborate here? I'm on the latest version of Monterey. I only care about one subfolder (approx 80gbs) to be 100% offline. All the others can stay off my device unless specifically called upon. That's how dropbox is operating currently. Would this change if I upgraded to ventura?
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Ahhh, understood. This is very helpful! Yeah I've never liked how iCloud handled offline storage. You seem to abdicating a great amount of control to Apple. Shame essentially all cloud storage systems will have to fold into this system. Appreciate the help, brother.
Ahhh, understood. This is very helpful! Yeah I've never liked how iCloud handled offline storage. You seem to abdicating a great amount of control to Apple. Shame essentially all cloud storage systems will have to fold into this system. Appreciate the help, brother.
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I tried treeandrew's excellent idea of copying the user directory over to my partition drive (I keep my 2nd drive internal to the machine - and yes, SSD only! Hence major investment for a 4T drive to sync locally and in cloud). Thank you, such an intelligent solution.
However, Ventura prevented me from copying the Home folder - all kinds of files were not given permission. I used both Finder and Terminal. The syntax for Terminal was: cp -r <Home Directory> <Target Destination>
Finder error was simply:
Terminal gives much more information about the copy failures, which are sometimes \"Permission Denied\" or \"No Such File or Directory\" or \"unable to copy extended attributes\" &c &c. But mainly \"Permission Denied\". The majority of these were in the \"Library\" directory.
Were I back in my PC days, at this point I would have ripped out the SSD, stuck it in a USB hub, and copied using another system. However, with macs that breaks warranty, and I haven't got time. So I called Mac service support. I spent 1.5 hours on the phone with them, and got ***Amazing*** service, really they are great. Two techs walked through all of my trials, thought through multiple scenarios, we tried different ways to copy the Home folder, and to no avail. He's raising it to engineers to see if they can't allow the Cloud Services folder to exist on another drive.
The idea that everyone is migrating to cloud-based only data is WRONG. Not because of my personal feefees, but look at the market. HDs on portable computers are now huge. You can get an 8T SSD in the latest macs. If we're carrying around that much data, it's so insecure, it's obvs we need it backed up on the cloud. But not exclusively--otherwise, why 8T drive, and Dropbox indexing just can't cope (sorry but it's true - maybe for your emails or letters or whatever, but not for a research library). Dropbox is good for backup, and great for sharing, but it ain't up to indexing.
Apple will be getting back to me - unfortunately, not before I set off on 2 wk lecture tour where I need data with me, but I'll workaround. I hope you at Dropbox are also pounding Apple with this problem! For your loyal customers who rely on you!
I tried 's excellent idea of copying the user directory over to my partition drive (I keep my 2nd drive internal to the machine - and yes, SSD only! Hence major investment for a 4T drive to sync locally and in cloud). Thank you, such an intelligent solution.
However, Ventura prevented me from copying the Home folder - all kinds of files were not given permission. I used both Finder and Terminal. The syntax for Terminal was: cp -r <Home Directory> <Target Destination>
Finder error was simply:
Terminal gives much more information about the copy failures, which are sometimes \"Permission Denied\" or \"No Such File or Directory\" or \"unable to copy extended attributes\" &c &c. But mainly \"Permission Denied\". The majority of these were in the \"Library\" directory.
Were I back in my PC days, at this point I would have ripped out the SSD, stuck it in a USB hub, and copied using another system. However, with macs that breaks warranty, and I haven't got time. So I called Mac service support. I spent 1.5 hours on the phone with them, and got ***Amazing*** service, really they are great. Two techs walked through all of my trials, thought through multiple scenarios, we tried different ways to copy the Home folder, and to no avail. He's raising it to engineers to see if they can't allow the Cloud Services folder to exist on another drive.
The idea that everyone is migrating to cloud-based only data is WRONG. Not because of my personal feefees, but look at the market. HDs on portable computers are now huge. You can get an 8T SSD in the latest macs. If we're carrying around that much data, it's so insecure, it's obvs we need it backed up on the cloud. But not exclusively--otherwise, why 8T drive, and Dropbox indexing just can't cope (sorry but it's true - maybe for your emails or letters or whatever, but not for a research library). Dropbox is good for backup, and great for sharing, but it ain't up to indexing.
Apple will be getting back to me - unfortunately, not before I set off on 2 wk lecture tour where I need data with me, but I'll workaround. I hope you at Dropbox are also pounding Apple with this problem! For your loyal customers who rely on you!
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Great news that Apple Support were helpful ... A little off topic, but I do remember the move of User Profile Home Directory quite a challenging process, but for my particular scenario worth doing, with a space constrained system drive, on a machine I really want to keep using for some time ...
I take your point about Apple's recent machines ... I've actually got a relatively recent MBP M1 Pro - with I'm afraid only 1 TB internal SSD - and also noted that the internal SSD options go to 8 TB now. The last time I looked, but perhaps that was a while ago they went to 4 TB, which would probably be sufficient for me.
Out of interest I put together a price for a 14\" MBP, with the lowest-end M1 Max, 64 GB and 4 TB - I may as well upgrade the CPU if I were to changeover - and here is Australia - it comes in at $6,800. Not sure I can stretch to that just at the moment. The upgrade to 4 TB is $1,800 alone here in AU. So yes, I must admit having purchased \"off the shelf\" models mostly in the past, because you can often get them discounted, I suspect my next purchase will be a custom build with a much larger internal SSD to ensure I avoid all these space constraint issues.
Good luck with you Home Profile Move! Cheers, Trevor
Great news that Apple Support were helpful ... A little off topic, but I do remember the move of User Profile Home Directory quite a challenging process, but for my particular scenario worth doing, with a space constrained system drive, on a machine I really want to keep using for some time ...
I take your point about Apple's recent machines ... I've actually got a relatively recent MBP M1 Pro - with I'm afraid only 1 TB internal SSD - and also noted that the internal SSD options go to 8 TB now. The last time I looked, but perhaps that was a while ago they went to 4 TB, which would probably be sufficient for me.
Out of interest I put together a price for a 14\" MBP, with the lowest-end M1 Max, 64 GB and 4 TB - I may as well upgrade the CPU if I were to changeover - and here is Australia - it comes in at $6,800. Not sure I can stretch to that just at the moment. The upgrade to 4 TB is $1,800 alone here in AU. So yes, I must admit having purchased \"off the shelf\" models mostly in the past, because you can often get them discounted, I suspect my next purchase will be a custom build with a much larger internal SSD to ensure I avoid all these space constraint issues.
Good luck with you Home Profile Move! Cheers, Trevor
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treeandrew how did you get your home folder to copy over? Did you do it in Ace Detective, or an earlier OS?
how did you get your home folder to copy over? Did you do it in Ace Detective, or an earlier OS?
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